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Madigan Drops Plan to Shift Pension Costs to School Districts

Under pressure from Illinois Republicans and Gov. Pat Quinn, House Speaker Michael Madigan announced he's dropping his proposal to shift teacher pension costs to local school districts.

 

Illinois House Speaker Michael Madigan (D-Chicago) dropped his controversial proposal on Wednesday to shift the state's teacher pensions committment to local school districts, universities and community colleges.

The announcement came after two days of spirited debate over pension reform in both the House and Senate.

Madigan's plan, which was part of Senate Bill 1673, was widely criticized by Republicans, and threatened to derail other legislation to address the state's massive pension shortfall.

Madigan said he reached the decision after Gov. Pat Quinn asked him to drop the amendment, the Associated Press reports.

“He agrees with the Republicans. He thinks that we ought to remove the issue of the shift of normal cost out of the bill,” Madigan told the House on Wednesday night. “I disagree with the governor, but he is the governor. This is his request.”

The bill was handed over to House Republican Leader Tom Cross of Oswego, who slammed Madigan on Tuesday, calling his proposal a "poison pill" to kill pension legislation.

Plans to remove Madigan's amendment will be considered by a House Panel on Thursday, the Chicago Tribune reports.

Illinois currently has an $83 billion unfunded pension liability—$44 billion of which is from the Teachers' Retirement System.

With the cost-shift language off the table, lawmakers could vote on a comprehensive pension reform plan before the legislative session ends Thursday night.

School district officials from Orland School District 135, Consolidated High School District 230 and Community Consolidated School District 146 have previously spoken out against proposals to shift the state's TRS obligation to local districts.

The shift could have cost D135 about $8 million and D230 $12 million, officials said.

 

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Related Topics: Consolidated High School District 230, Michael Madigan, Orland School District 135, Pension Reform, and Teacher Retirement

mom

8:00 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Madigan is a moran. How dare he thought to add more burden to the tax payers. The teachers union needs to get with program. If any more hard working tax payers loose their homes there won't be any revenue for the schools. Pay your own pensions, try the 401 k plan. The union of IL are spoided brats and I am sick of them!!!!! Go Scott Walker of Wis. !!!!!!!

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citizen

9:59 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

"Mom"...how would you like to have money deducted from your pay (which you have no control over) to go for the mortgage on your house, then 35 years later when you think your house is paid off you are told, Nope, you need to pay more. In fact, you might not even get to own your house. It's fine to say invest in a 401k now, but that doesn't do much good for the teachers that are already retired or are retiring soon. We have contributed to our pension in good faith that the government would do its share. Now we are the 'bad' guys because the government reneged all these years. Be angry at your elected officials..not the teachers. We didn't cause this problem.
Retired teacher

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Sue N.

11:32 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Citizen - While I do understand your plight...."Mom" isn't asking teachers or any government pension recipient to do what the majority of taxpayers haven't already been doing for years. My company used to offer a pension for years that part of my pay went into. But when ecomonics got tough, bye-bye went our pensions. Sure, some of us were grandfathered in our pensions, but it stayed at the same amount it was at 15 years ago. No additional growth and capped off based on our salary 15 years ago. After that, our only option for additional retirement funds was to participate in a 401K. So I agree with "Mom". Stop the pensions. Grandfather those who have qualified for theirs in, but freeze it at the amounts they would get if they retired today. And then make the rest of government employees participate in a 401K like the majority of us non-government working taxpayers have to do.

Sorry...but just doesn't make sense that government employees should get better benefits with my tax dollars, than what I have an option to get on my own. Times changed a long time ago, and its time government employees switch over too.

Regina Knapp

8:39 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Well, "mom", the fact of the matter is that the problem with teachers' pensions is not the lack of teacher contribution to their pension fund. It is that our state government has borrowed from and mismanaged that fund for decades. Another point you might want to consider is that not only have the teacher pensions been compromised; teachers are also a large part of the taxpaying body of citizens. Your frustration as a taxpayer is understandable, however your anger may be misdirected.

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Bob

1:21 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Part of pension reform MUST be holding local districts accountable for their largess and requiring them to pay for bad decisions they've made that caused this mess.

For example, when a fully vested teacher making $100K per year applies for "early retirement" five years early, they can receive 6% raises per year raising their four year "average" on which their pension is based to about $116,000 with a pension of about $87,000 per year. The "cost" to the employee for this is 11.5% of salary for each early retirement year, and the cost to the children and taxpayers throught he district is 23.5% for each year for a total cost of about $220,868. It should be noted that it is not unusual in suburban HS districts for the school to ALSO pay the employees' share. The pension paid will be about $435,000, plus about an additional $40-$50K for health insurance entirely paid by the state. The 3% "COLA" is compounded retroactively when the "normal" retirement age is reached, so the state costs for this single "early retirement" is about $250,000 to pay a teacher NOT TO TEACH BEFORE THEIR NORMAL RETIREMENT AGE (60).

If the school board of a district decides that doing this is in the best interest of the community and state to take approximately $329,000 to pay a teacher to stop teaching early, I don't think it's unreasonable for the state taxpayers to expect that the district pay the FULL cost of this, and not stick the state taxpayers with the bill.

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Bob

1:28 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Ultimately, Springfield was responsible for creating this mess, though, and local districts compounded the problem by approving overly generous, or perhaps abuse, of this system.

This in not unlike the "subprime mortgage" problem created by Washington, DC, but implemented by local banks and mortgage brokers.

The Feds allowed "flipping" debt from unqualified borrowers onto Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and they irresponsibly abused this system to the point that it cerated the worst economy since the great depression.

Springfield passed the laws that allowed districts to "spike" end of career salaries for no reason other than to unfairly boost pensions, and created the "early retirement" programs that have been so damaging to the state. They allowed distircts to include "sick day" payoffs into pension contributions, and abuses like including paid use of a car by administrators.

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Bob

1:35 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

What's fair? If district 230 can afford to pay teachers with an MS +30 and 20 years experience a minimum of $119,000 per nine months, perhaps it could afford to contribute more to the pension obligations these unjustifiable salaries create.

District 230 pays 93% of employee family health care premiums, which costs the district about $14,000 for each participating employee.

If they can afford this, they can afford to pay a fair share for pensions without raising taxes and fees.

There are districts such as Mokena 159 that are starved for resources and pay low salaries. Does anyone deny that asking members of that community and others like them to subsidize excessive North Shore and wealthy local HS pensions, over which they have no say, is unfair?

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Bob

1:43 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

The fair solution may be this; districts wishing to engage in "spiking" to unfairly boost pensions and grant early retirement packages should pay for their full cost, not state taxpayers.

Districts that can afford to not only pay the districts share of pension contributions BUT ALSO EMPLOYEE SHARES(about 50% of school districts in Illinois pay the ENTIRE employee contributioin of 9.4%), should be able to pay their fair sharea fro their employees retirement.

Low to middle income staff shouldn't be forced to pay more in contributions, but if a district is wealthy enough to pay my than 20% above the current state average teacher salary (avg is about $64K) perhaps they should need to pay the full cost of teh pensions above that amount. If they can afford to pay that much above avearge, they can afford to contribute more to the TRS.

School Boards choose to sometimes make bad decisions on bloating pension benefits and then sticking state taxpayers with the bill. This is certainly unfair and legislation restarining school boards from this irrespoonsible behavior wiould certainly be welcome by the communities and taxpayers currently being gouged from this corruption.

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Rob Piorkowski

1:46 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Great idea to combine the elected folks pension with all the state workers & teachers. It should get fixed pronto.
But lets be serious...
They will never ever vote to change or possibly cut their own benefit..
They even have built in a provision for an automatic pay raise...
it goes through unless they vote to cancel it..

Many of these clowns in Springfield have been there 10-15-20 years!
They are part of the problem!

Amazing idea of transferring the financial burden back to the local towns...

Instead of solving the problem, our elected folks just vote to give the problem to somebody else. Nice..

I don't believe this is dead yet.. it will show up again either hidden in another bill, or used as leverage for something else..

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Robert

9:00 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

The most important job in the world is that of our educators. The field attracts very bright, organized, fun loving, people who devote their lives toward giving to others. Police, nurses, firefighter/paramedics, doctors, etc..are also in this giving field. They need to be securely compensated to remain in this field. It's hard work and dedication and most dead beats don't fit the bill. I don't know of any millionaire police, firemen, or teachers. The filthy rich have won the persuasion game and managed to convince common republicans to turn on their own assets, their teachers. Republican fathers voting to hurt their children who are teachers and police, and firemen, as if they are the enemy. Brainwashed!

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John Paul

12:48 am on Friday, June 1, 2012

It's not a question of appreciating what teachers (and policemen, firemen, etc.) do. Many private sector people also work very hard and are just as dedicated. The vast majority of them will never get rich either. The difference is that private sector employees have no control who their bosses are, while public sector employees can work to have their bosses elected, or defeated (ask Scott Walker about that one). If a private sector employer makes unsustainable promises to their emplyees, it costs them money, it may even get them in legal trouble. If a public sector employer does that, they just dump it on the taxpayers. That's what people are upset about. People who are making less money than beofre having to pay higher taxes to give other people their guaranteed annual raises. People getting by on a small pension having to pay for someone else's lucrative pension.

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Bob

7:40 am on Friday, June 1, 2012

"The most important job in the world is that of our educators." Remember that the next time you're taken to the emergency room with a serious medical problem. I don't often hear, "Get that cardiologist away from me. I NEED A PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER!" BTW, a growing number of our "best and brightest" in the professions got their primary and secondary educations in Asia or Eastern Europe. Despite spending just about the most per pupil in the world, our "educators" have made our math and science public education the laughing stock of the world, with the US consistently ranking at the middle, or worse, in objective performance. If you can't read, write, or do mathematics, blame an educrat!

"The field attracts very bright, organized, fun loving, people who devote their lives toward giving to others." Ummmm... check out the entering ACT scores for freshman in Illinois colleges. The students in colleges of education typically have the lowest ACTs and class ranks. You're right about the "fun loving" part, though. Many become teachers because of all the summers and holiday time off!

"They need to be securely compensated to remain in this field." Right. There is SOOOO much demand in the private sector for six figure PE,English and Social study teachers! NO ONE hires public school teachers to design bridges!

"I don't know of any millionaire police, firemen, or teachers." Come out to the more affluent areas of Orland/Palos Park. You'll find LOADS of them, many "early retirees".

Bob

7:42 am on Friday, June 1, 2012

"The field attracts very bright, organized, fun loving, people who devote their lives toward giving to others."....at least until they reach age 55 and take "early retirement" pensions that are bankrupting the state!

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