Fox News declared if you did not support Chickfila you are a bigot.

Fox News is as biased as MSNBC. I trust neither one. I am also not saying that it is right for the City of Chicago to not allow this company to open a branch there. What I am saying is that we have a HUGE group of hypocrites seen supporting this company.

These are people who clearly have too much time on their hands and by the looks of them when I drove by probably eat at fast food places a lot. They have been fed the lie that this country was founded on Christianity and as such will not be satisfied until it is a theocracy run by Christian fascists.

They lack respect and feel the need to interfere in the lives of other people who do not believe what they believe. Let me give an example of what I am saying. Most normal people when asked about gay marriage say "I don't believe in gay marriage therefore I am not marrying someone of the same sex". These people however feel that because it goes against their beliefs it should just not be allowed period.

I do not believe in Christianity but do you see me and others fighting to make a law to make Christians second class citizens because I do not agree with their "choice"? I am looking forward to the ruling of the Supreme Court as there will be lots of angry Christians after the ruling.

Oh, Sara. What else would you EXPECT Faux News to declare?

No, if you DO support Chick-fil-a, you are a bigot. They got the wrong word there.

phxdr:

Your hypothesis is simple, well-stated and absolutely on the mark.

NO WONDER not one of Patch's Ultra-Right-Wing-Looney-Tune posters has challenged it!

Karen great comment to Phxdr. This person is totally confused. I'm glad you pointed out her ignorance on the matter. She should read all of Dean Caspers replies as his comments are right on. Intellegent man.

Thank you Barbara! You made my day! ;)

If these so called Christians would read their bible and what it says traditional marriage is, they'd vomit. It's disgusting.

Hmmm, Will Joseph you sound like a very bitter man. Lighten up. Guess you'd like the government telling you what you can say and what you may be able to believe or they will refuse you employment or to open a business. Is that what you want???????

Love me some Sara!

AT LAST! Someone who's actually READ the Bible! AND who knows what it means!

Sara Waters...enlighten us with some Biblical references that make you believe that traditional marriage would make the rest of us want to vomit. I'd love to review them.
Remember that much of the Mosaic law was fulfilled by Jesus so be sure to include many NT references as well as OT.....

True. Very sad that the gay couples who've been loyal to each other for many years...who buy homes, cars and pets together, who stick together through thick and thin aren't allowed to profess their love and commitment to each other in a civil ceremony. Change is coming. *\O/*

Here ya go Julie:
http://www.upworthy.com/the-top-8-ways-to-be-traditionally-married-according-to-the-bible?g=2&c=la2
look up the verses in the bible - you can't even make this shit up it's actually in the bible

Laura B....like I said "Remember that much of the Mosaic law was fulfilled by Jesus so be sure to include many NT references as well as OT"
Every reference which has been taken completely out of historical context is from the Old Testament.
I will give you some NT thoughts on marriage:
Mark 10:11-12
Luke 16:18
1 Corinthians 7:10-11
Ephesians 5:21-25 (Don't read this and leave out verse 28!)
Ephesians 5:31
Oh, why not just read all of Ephesians 5....
Hebrews 13:4
Clearly you don't understand the OT. I'm not a theologian, but at least I understand that the OT laws were meant to be formational in order to bring the people from worshiping gold cows to the point where they would be ready to hear Jesus' message.

No one cares if the CEO used his own $$ to give to whatever cause he wants. He used $5 million or Corporate money. Corporations cannot have religious beliefs because unlike some people's beliefs, Corporations are not people.

Calling names???? Fox News called everyone who didn't buy chemicals in a package today a bigot, an Anti-Christian. It seems all these "Christians" never act Christian like.

Liberals always take upon themselves to tell other people what they can do with their money, and spend other peoples money without consent. Chick fil A is a private company with president, Board of Directors. If Mr Cathy is spending company money on causes they do not approve, the Board will stop it. If You don't approve, don't eat there. If enough citizens feel as you, the company will change or go out of business.
The government has no place in this. Business licenses should not be subject to the Thought Police.
Furthermore, liberals often describe any opinion that disagrees with them and their rigged dogma as "Hate Speech". What Mr Cathy said was hardly that

Sara is right. Casper is wrong. That's all there is to it.

(And FYI, Casper? Unlike you, apparently, I'm only arrogant enough to think of myself as an ASPIRING Christian. That, of course, is because any direct comparison of myself to Jesus Christ ALWAYS leaves me in the dust. Always has. Always will.)

What's this Casper is wrong stuff?

Vicky- No offense intended on this. Do you understand how the electoral system in the United States works? Illinois is going to go to Obama. There are only a few battle ground states in the country and all polls show when Obama is matched against Romney in those states Obama wins. Nothing is a for sure thing. I think you and many others are in for a disappointment come November though.

OR:

"SHEEP to Shining SHEEP". AH.

My goodness! Apparently, I've struck a nerve . . .

Barbara - you are joking, right?

That's a fair point. People shouldn't talk about politics and religion...but if they do they certainly shouldn't bring the Cubs into it.

If you vote for Romney you are voting for the exact reason of what is wrong with this country.

Say ac, second sentence states "supports bigotry.

How, what, where, when, and why?

Are you suffering from S U S ?

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This is where you are wrong, completely wrong on many levels. You don't get it because you don't understand Christian teaching. It's not bigotry...
Love the sinner, hate the sin.
Christianity does not teach that we should judge or hate those living with same sex attraction. Living an unchaste lifestyle is a sin, no matter who you are having sex with. Christianity does however, require that we admonish the sinner and let them know that they are sinning, we are to instruct the ignorant, so that they can repent and change their ways, and return to Christ...to love their neighbor as themselves.
I don't know one Christian who has said they hate anyone who is different from them.

Does the HRC spread the word of tolerance for people who don't agree with them???? Nope, those who don't agree with them are wrong and are denying people of some made up human right of 'sexual orientation'.

@Frank--Chick-fil-a has donated to the Marriage & Family Legacy Fund, National Christian Foundation, and Focus On The Family. All of these groups have spread hatred and intolerance in the guise of Christianity. This is bigotry.

@Julie--I was raised Catholic and it IS bigotry. There are no two ways about it. Teaching "love the sinner and hate the sin" is flawed because you can NOT love somebody and yet hate their actions--it's fundamentally impossible. The doctrine is an excuse to hate. Jesus taught that hate is wrong. Jesus was right. You are wrong.

Furthermore, being gay is not "a lifestyle," it is a fundamental way of existence, much as heterosexuality is a fundamental way of existence. Gay people don't just have gay sex, so you can conveniently create a so-called "Christian" doctrine about just hating gay sex. Gay people simply ARE gay. This is not a choice. Think about it--if you were given a choice between being accepted by society and shunned, would you choose to be shunned? Would you choose to be bullied as a child, harassed as an adult, and (in some countries) RAPED to try to "correct" your condition? WHO would voluntarily choose such a lifestyle? If there's no logical reason for choosing to be gay, then being gay can NOT be a choice.

Therefore, you can not love the sinner and hate the sin. There is no separating the two. That is a flawed doctrine and believing in it is a certain path to Hell. Jesus would be ashamed.

Um, frank and Julie?

AtlantiCat is kicking your sorry, ignorant butts . . .

Say Julie,

I understand Abra Kadabra better than what you BLATTER.

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Julie--I am a woman who has produced no children. Nor will I ever produce children. And I will never propagate the species. Did it never occur to you, as a "normal person," that your God, whilst intending humans to propagate the species, also might have built some automatic "birth control" into the species as well? If we are fruitful and multiply continuously and forever, we will overrun and destroy the planet. Maybe some of us were not meant to reproduce. Did you, as a "normal person," ever stop to think that? If God created us all, then he created gays as well as straights.

Sorry fogot the link...here you go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

JULIE, JULIE, JULIE- I honestly went back and forth if this is even worth my time to explain. I am going to provide a link to Wikipedia on the list of MAMMALS who show homosexual behaviors (this is just mammals). I also want to point out that if you took your eyes out of your book about a imaginary all powerful space daddy in the sky long enough to pick up a history, biology book you would understand that homosexuality is not uncommon in nature or human history.

Ancient Greece (Alexander the Great for one example) had many homosexuals in it. Ancient Maya empire also had homosexuals in it and were celebrated in many pre-colombian and pre- polynesian people. If it was a learned human behavior it would not have been there prior to European colonization. Instead we find homosexual behavior in humans on every continent in every people (proof is in paintings, petroglyphs and writings) prior to contact.

Finally you have to blame no one but you and your fellow right wing bible lovers for your problems with government and religion. It was known by the founders of this country that a secular government was needed to protect the government and the people as well as the religions in the new country. You have allowed and encouraged the cozy relationship with government and religion and then wonder why there are problems.

You are with all due respect short sided.

phxdr....lame animal argument. My dog eats sticks, rolls in poop and licks her butt...doesn't mean I should!
Female praying mantis' bite their mates head off after mating, some animal mom's will kill and eat their weakest offspring...this doesn't mean it's ok for humans!

Frank - get your nose out of the crossword puzzle dictionary and read what I typed and maybe you will get it. What's so hard to understand about a man and a woman 'fit' together?

Advocate, Are you still suffering from S U S?

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Love me some Advocate!

Frank--You want me to support my statement by giving you specific examples of exactly what bigotry I'm talking about, is that what you're asking?

If so, apparently you think my time is best spent doing research and documenting things for you. I happen to disagree as you are not paying me for my time.

If you want to say, "Hey, you can't support your statement in the exact manner and fashion I require you to do, therefore because everything must be done exactly as I say it must be done, your statement must be wrong!" feel free to do so. I am not governed by your arbitrary rules.

If you want examples, I suggest you Google Them. Or I could be really sarcastic and type in "Let Me Google That For You" or post a link to the LMGTFY website.

If you're asking something else, then please restate your request in plain English. I am not suffering from Single UNIX Specification or Stochastic Universal Sampling at the moment.

Julie--Just because you are not capable of understanding that "gayness" is inherent in a person's make-up and not a choice doesn't make "hate the sin and love the sinner" a true or correct doctrine...just your personal (flawed) belief. Being gay is just like being straight--You Do Not Choose It. You Are Born That Way. No matter how much YOU personally want to make it a choice so you can "hate the sin and love the sinner," it is NOT a choice. It never has been and it never will be. I did not choose to be heterosexual, I simply AM heterosexual. Just as I am simply a woman. Just as you are both of these.

And I would like to note that I did not stoop to personal insults...you don't know the reason why I can't reproduce and it's VERY un-Christian of you to say that it's proof there is a God. That's a VERY hurtful and ignorant statement.

Your exact quote, "Not quite....most normal people stop and realize that each gender plays a role in the survival of the species..." There's the word NORMAL, you started using it.

I did not say at any point that being gay is okay because of overpopulation. I am suggesting that perhaps your God built in a failsafe mechanism to help prevent it. If your God is all-powerful and all-knowing and all-seeing, surely he must have seen the possibility coming?

God created everyone. Therefore, God created people, gay and straight. If a gay person is perfect in His eyes, who are you to judge that person? Your own words convict you.

AtlantiCat
I apologize for the 'Further proof that there is a God' comment.
I never said being gay was a choice....acting on ones sexual urges is most certainly a choice, regardless of what those urges are.
Actually it was PHXDR who started using the term 'normal' and that is to whom my post was addressed when I started using normal. Then you jumped in and started using 'normal', in your response to me, so I used it in return.

I'm done here....I have too much to do today to waste more time on this type of unproductive banter.

I find it interesting that President Obama held the same position until a few months ago when his gay fundraiser bundlers threatened to hold their money unless he came out for Gay Marriage.
To date, he has offered no legislation to legalize Gay Marriage. Not exactly a profile in leadership.

Dean--President Obama held the position that being gay was not a choice but a matter of genetics, as far back as 2004. At the time, he also admitted that his stance on gays and gay marriage was still evolving. A few months ago, he came out in support of gay marriage.

Legislation to legalize gay marriage would not in any way pass the current Congress as it stands. So he's leaving it to the States.

In my opinion, that is an example of an intelligent man showing that he is capapble of thinking things through, and changing his mind when the facts are laid out before him. He is showing that he is capable of maturing and evolving as a leader. He is showing that rigid, unchanging, and ultimately unfair belief systems hold no place in Government.

Sounds like an excellent leader to me.

Both parties often offer legislation that has zero chance of passage. President Obama's plan for massive tax increases in a recession is an example. Offering such ground breaking legislation would elevate the debate. He can use the bully pulpit like Kennedy and Johnson did in the 60s.
Attacking achievement, dividing the country, burdening our children and grandchildren with enormous debt a great leader does not make

Dean--To what plan for massive tax increases do you refer? Last I checked, the only tax increases President Obama proposed were 4% on the top 1%. I would hardly call that a massive tax increase on somebody who is making billions per year. I realize you think this is attacking success, but the marginal tax rates have been MUCH higher in the past (go look it up) and very few complained about it then.

And the current Republican plan for taxes would add several billion to the debt, hardly a better deal than Obama's plan.

Obama has never divided the country. Please explain where this occurred?

You do realize that BUSH II was responsible for the huge debt currently burdening our children and grandchildren? When Clinton left office, we had a SURPLUS. Bush II took that and turned it into the worst debt in the history of the United States.

But Obama's responsible for all of it because facts should never get in the way of a good argument....

Right on John. Gay marriage has little to with the issue. If politicians can deny business license because of a business owner's stance on Gay marriage, Who's next on their most hated list? Smokers? Overweight people? WASPs? Catholics? A liberal politician can decide because a owner is too successful and a member of the so called 1% and not allow him/her to open.
We are in a long, devastating recession. Payroll tax receipts from wages earned are at a 31year low, underemployment is at 24%, our National Debt has exploded to $16 Trillion, we have more pressing issues to deal with.

John - do you then oppose the states that have banned Westboro Baptist Church from protesting Solider's funerals? Their 1st Amendment rights were stripped from them! Where's the outrage? Where's the buses full of people storming the castle to protect their Freedom of Speech, their Freedom of Religion?

100% correct John. Unfortunately nobody would have anything to argue about if they acknowledged that truth so they have to focus on fringe issues to keep the debate going.

Carin, as much as the Westboro people disgust me, I defend their right not to be picked on by government if they are not disobeying the law. you can't pick and choose whose rights are defendable and those whose aren't. Now, if the Westboro people are trespassing on private property, that's a different issue. I would not agree if a municipality denied the pastor of that group a business license if he met all of the requirements.

John--this has nothing to do with the CEO's beliefs. If he believed that we were all a bunch of demons from outer space, the government wouldn't give a rat's tail. It's all about his ACTIONS. He donated his company's profits to known hate groups.

If he'd donated to the KKK or the Nazi Party, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. But because these hate groups are pretending to be Christian, suddenly everybody's outraged. They are not Christian. Hate is not Christian. It's just wrong.

AtlantiCat, so we are all clear, are you OK with the government deciding who can and can't do business based solely on their beliefs?

Arthur--No. But I am perfectly comfortable having the government block a business based on that business's willingness to support hate groups. As I said, if the CEO had been donating the company's profits to the KKK or the Nazi Party, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Just because extremists agree on a position does not make everyone an extremist. Liberals taking everything to the extreme again. Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez endorsed Obama, this, in and of itself, does not make Obama a dictator.
The government has no right to impose a thought standard on regulation of commerce. Again, she my post on where this ends. You may cheer the pols running out a business that disagrees with you on Gay marriage, but what happens when Rahm goes after a business because they support a cause you support?
Liberal free speech, you can only talk, own a business, or live in my town if you agree with the oppressive rulers. That is completely un-American.
Cardinal George said it best, we do not have to submit our values to the government for approval. The scariest part is the man promoting this nonsense was the Chief of Staff to the most powerful man in the world, well until our debt he is creating drags us down behind China.

And you feel the same way so long as I believe your christian beliefs. Which I do not. I don't remember you standing up for the Muslims when they wanted a Mosque to be built. I don't recall you at the Village meetings telling all the protesters they are infringing on the 1st Amendment rights of the Muslims.

You throw Obama into this as if he has ANYTHING to do with this.

I'll be by there.

Should Chik & Lowes be overcrowded, a second site for the KISS-IN is scheduled for Maple Lake at the Port-a Potty between 1-2pm.

Bring sun screen.

Name tags are optional.

Please don't tip the Potty, remember that others use the facility.

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AWESOME! I don't purchase products from any of those places...except Microsoft.
When did Oreos, Tide, Crest, Wheaties & Cheerios become companies?
That would be Proctor & Gamble, General Mills, and Nabisco.
Actually I think the AFA called off their Pepsi boycott. When 500,000 customers said they would boycot Pepsi....Pepsi changed their tune.
The last boycott on the Gap (which own's Old Navy) was called for not using 'Merry Christmas' in their Christmas sale ads....

Carin, there's a big difference between Conservatives (or Liberals) acting as individuals boycotting a business over a disagreement and Conservatives (or Liberals) acting as the government doing it.

You still haven't explained what that's supposed to mean.

That is the very point I am making. No matter the issue, liberals, especially Liberals holding public office, demand 100% compliance with their political agenda or they will use the power of their office to make life very difficult for you.
Speak out against any Iiberal initiative and suddenly you are having a zoning problem, etc. unemployment and underemployment are at historic levels. We need jobs! Here you have liberal politicians holding ideology over employment. They would rather deny their economically oppressed constituents an opportunity to work and make a living than allow a CEO voice opposition to liberal ideology.