Okay, full disclosure. I am a product of Catholic Education.
I was a Wildcat here in Orland Park circa '72-'80 (loved almost all of my eight years there) before heading to MAA in Lemont for four years of high school.
I used to think a Catholic education was "all that" with a "Hot Dog Day Friday" thrown in. Today, I cannot say that with a straight face and an internal need to get my butt to confession, pronto.
My family moved to Orland Park forty years ago from 86th and Wood where we were parishioners of St. Ethereda Parish. The neighborhood was changing quickly and my parents saw the move to the 'burbs the best for all involved.
Back then, Orland Park was a small town--believe it or not--way back when Harlem Avenue was a dirt road while 143rd and LaGrange was a four-way stop.
School District 135 was hardly the established state-of-the-art dream it is now, and so Mom and Dad enrolled us kids over at St. Mikes.
Dad’s opinions regarding a kid educated by a nun wielding a wooden ruler were quite clear. Dad felt with kids you "either pay now or pay later." And, so he chose to "pay now" by instructing mom to write the check for the tuition bill each month.
And with that mindset, once my oldest was ready to head to kindergarten, I filled out an app for our parish school and crossed my fingers.
We got a letter of acceptance on Christmas Eve 1999. I felt it was a sign from the baby Jesus on the eve of his birthday. Whispering this is what is meant to be...yep, I definitely thought this was the "right decision".
We were good Catholic soldiers the first few years. Perhaps all new parents (yes, even the "publics") are all rah rah regarding their youngsters formative years. I know we were.
The impressiveness of what the school promised to deliver was undeniable.
A brand new facility boasting experienced teachers, a state of the art computer lab, an art studio with a flippin' kiln, weekly school mass, Spanish instruction beginning in kindergarten, along with a "family community."
The Catholic administration assured us these were perks that a public school could not provide. In the same breath they assured us of their mission statement...Jesus would be "present" in each and every classroom.
Looking back...we.were.idiots.
Like a pamphlet advertising a vacation of a lifetime, all these years later, I am disappointed I didn't realize the marketing angle.
We woke up after a miserable first grade experience with our younger boy.
Clearly, Jesus was unable to find this particular classroom because the woman sitting at the desk exhibited behavior unacceptable to any child.
Unacceptable no matter how many questions he asked, how many times he rolled his eyes, or how many hours he hid out in a lower level bathroom so he wouldn't have to listen to the grown-up in the room harp on his "garbage penmanship" as she tossed assignment after assignment in the trash and required him to do it again until he got it right.
Yeah, a real peach...but as the pamphlet promised...she was experienced.
After a completely wretched year, we pulled the plug on the freak show and took his second grade show on the road to unfettered territories...to (gasp) public school.
Public school is a dirty word to most Catholics...I know, hardly the all encompassing acceptance and Christian love fest usually touted on Sunday morning before joining hands and singing Kumbaya.
I could go on and on about how "The Blue Ribbon Palace" sold my kids short, but that would just sound like sour grapes.
Instead, I'll share with you a well-known secret in Orland Park. Something the catholic soldiers with the blinders on do not realize nor appreciate.
School District 135. Simply phenomenal if you ask me.
When we enrolled our younger son at Prairie all those years ago, we chose to leave our oldest boy at The Blue Ribbon Palace.
He was headed to sixth grade and we feared switching him to a public junior high
at this point in his educational career was, well, cruel.
You know what was cruel? Leaving him there. Hindsight is 20/20.
Again, we.were.idiots.
He is now a well-adjusted junior at Sandburg while his younger brother is headed to seventh grade at Jerling.
The difference in the education each received...simply amazing.
I did not fully realize this until the younger experienced second, third, fourth and fifth and sixth grade "publicly".
The teachers at School District 135 are dedicated, seasoned, and fully aware that each and every child learns differently.
And, suffice it to say, in the five years we've enjoyed educational joy, we have not experienced one.single.stinker.
Our luck across town when we paid for our education (with the mystery tossed in at no extra charge) was not as good.
I don't kid myself, I'm quite sure there are a few bad apples in the District 135 bunch...I've just yet to meet one.
I will never regret the experiences and challenges my younger boy was fortunate to have.
And, that includes the time spent at the Blue Ribbon Palace. One cannot enjoy the sunshine without experiencing the rain.
Maybe you are on the fence regarding a catholic education or sending your kid to School District 135.
There is no question in my mind where a kid can get a quality education from dedicated teachers. I’ve been on both sides of the fence.
Catholic education can certainly be a viable alternative to public education in many towns. In my opinion and experience, our town does not seem to require an option.
Felicitas Cortez
1:57 pm on Tuesday, August 9, 2011
You're spot on, dear blogger. Let's not forget, aside from the qualified teachers at Dist 135, public trumps over private in terms of facilities, extra-curricular opportunities and special education support/therapies.
Jennifer Lenkiewicz
2:58 pm on Tuesday, August 9, 2011
I could write an entire book on the benes of extra-curricular opportunities at 135. During our "private tenure" the same parent coached every single team in every single sport along with taking charge of every single club after chaperoning every single field trip...wait a minute--I may have something for next week...thanks ;)
Paul
9:49 am on Friday, August 12, 2011
One question and a few comments. didn’t having the one coach/chaperon make it more like a family, didn’t that make it have a little more of a bond, the problem may have been you didn’t respect or enjoy that person. I went to a public school and many of my friends always wished we went to a private, that being said we know many from a private school who wished they went to a public.. I was one of the lucky ones.. always had the same coach for my OYA team’s but how about those who didn’t.. back when I played we kept score and it mattered. Are we just scared to let kids develop today, what is the real reason you didn’t like the programs or the school.. what is the underlying problem.
They both are an experience.. and part of what is to blame our some of the parents. When I was growing up a parent was always watching us they would walk to the part, sit on the porch, join in on the baseball game, Today I see kids all over playing on the street unsupported(maybe some would rather hear me say un supervised). Where is the parent involvement.
The problem is culture and family today, how many families eat together or make it to EVERY sporting event. If the parents were not home the grandparents came over or the aunts and uncles the cousins the older siblings.. SOMEONE… maybe if we get our families back in line we can start complaining about people in the Catholic school system who are under paid.. or maybe we can create a subsidy for our private school systems.
Andrea Williams
8:14 am on Wednesday, August 10, 2011
I.love.your.blogs.
Jennifer Lenkiewicz
2:01 pm on Thursday, August 11, 2011
Thank.You.Andrea.
I can't wait until the kids head back to school next week and I can roll out a couple a week on a regular basis. Thanks for reading!
Lynne Donegan
10:37 am on Wednesday, August 10, 2011
Awesome blog!
Jennifer Lenkiewicz
2:02 pm on Thursday, August 11, 2011
Thanks Lynne! Thanks for reading...it does wonders for my ego :)
Robert
9:18 am on Thursday, August 11, 2011
As a former public school teacher, you need to keep in mind that private education is not for everyone. I would surely hope that you are enjoying Orland schools now because as an Orland taxpayer, the school district is spending incredible amounts to educate our children. Private schools have been known to get incredible results with a minor fraction of the spending. Considering that this school you are referreing to recieved a Blue Ribbon status, awarded to them by our governmnet, is no small feat. To my knowledge, none of our Orland schools have achieved such a feat. Maybe your blog should be how to do more and spend less in Orland schools. Until then, let's focus on the bigger picture and realize that your experience is not reflective of all.
Jennifer Lenkiewicz
2:16 pm on Thursday, August 11, 2011
I certainly appreciate your thoughts as a former educator. I am still scratching my head regarding the honor the US government bestowed upon my childrens' former school...let me share a brief story regarding "doing more for less money"...
My oldest was "fortunate" enough to experience Spanish instruction grades K-8. When he was in 7th grade we traveled to Mexico--as we drove through a remote town where English was not spoken--and the street signs were all posted in Spanish, my husband thought this the perfect opportunity for our son, who had taken Spanish class for SEVEN YEARS, to wow us with his knowledge. When asked what the signs said, the boy remained silent...until we rolled up to a red, octagon shaped sign..."that one says stop" was suddenly heard from the backseat.
I merely wrote about my experience/opinion that an Orland Park Public education is a pretty good deal. Their educators are worth their weight in gold...and as far as lesson plans go--every school in SD135 should qualify for Blue Ribbon Status...apparently superior test scores among other things determine this. Spanish skills clearly were never assessed. Truth is, we know more families that have run from the "Blue Ribbon Palace" and are now seated in desks within District 135...haven't heard one of them say they miss where they came from...the difference in education...simply amazing.
Thanks again for your comments and thoughts~I appreciated reading the opinion of a former public school teacher.
Alicia
4:51 pm on Thursday, August 11, 2011
Sorry Jennifer but I too agree with Robert! It almost sounds like you have a ax to grind with your old school instead of just moving onto your new school. If you have left a few years ago, why are you still talking about it? Move on already! As a mom with young children, your children are only going to get what they put into their work. I can only hope when my children are of school age, that I can look into private education vs. Orland schools. I guess I will need to do a little reasearch and find out what school in our area had the Blue Ribbon stamp placed on it. It sure isn't any of our fine public schools. Time to move on Jennifer....
Jennifer Lenkiewicz
6:40 pm on Thursday, August 11, 2011
No need to be sorry Alicia...this forum is about expressing opinions which is why I write about it now only to point out the difference in the education my two kids got on opposite sides of town...and to shed light on what a fantastic district we have in School District 135...another reason to be grateful to live in this great town (bad traffic aside). Trust me, I have long since moved on.
No sour grapes Alicia...but, private isn't all it is cracked up to be (especially in this economy), no matter what color ribbon in which it is wrapped. I wish I had done my research prior to enrolling so many years ago...you're much wiser than I by keeping that aspect on your radar.
I understand that kids get what they put into their work...luckily public school can cater to the gifted, regular joe's, and those with special needs. Hopefully you are raising regular joe's if you intend to go down the private road...the "enrichment" program at the place with the colorful ribbon was offered one day every other week ...my kid at the place without the blue bow gets it every day in every subject in which he qualified.
Thanks for reading and offering your opinion.
Jennifer Lenkiewicz
1:04 pm on Friday, August 12, 2011
Paul for some reason I cannot reply to your particular comment...so it is down here.
The sports in the particular school my kids went to were coached by parents and every kid made the team for the most part. We had A teams, B teams, White teams and Blue teams....I prefer the public school where there is ONE team and the teachers are the coaches~competitive sports begin in 6th grade when a tryout is held. And getting sent packing really sucks if you're 11 or 12 years old. But it is an early learned lesson. Like I said, the teachers are the coaches/sponsors...parental involvement happens from the bleachers.
When my oldest son (all 9 years with Jesus) headed to Sandburg the first thing he mentioned after his first football practice..."it is so cool that Coach doesn't have a kid on the team...all the positions are up for grabs".
The parent that coached every team, mentored every club, went on every field trip was naturally raising a real "superstar". Trust me, it got old--very quickly.
I agree with you--life is nothing like it used to be when we were growing up. But disagree with your opinion regarding "parental participation". Today, it seems kids can't go anywhere without their "handlers" following in the shadows carrying the equipment bag, practice snacks etc.
Yes, there was a community "feel" at the catholic school--but sometimes it was quite overwhelming...9 years with the same 90 kids AND their parents...not the "kumbaya" moment you might think it is.
Paul
1:23 pm on Friday, August 12, 2011
First off the schools don’t have one team.. they have multiple.. second there is always an superstar which usually carries the entire team so you should be thankful you had one(I’m assuming you did based on your comment).. and if the coaches son/ daughter is the superstar then don’t they deserve that position?? And shouldn’t every kid have the “feeling” of getting “sent packing”
And how is it not good to have parents carrying the bags or bringing the snacks..
And I’m just referring to my neighborhood when I said parents aren’t involved.. I go out to other towns around and the parents are ALWAYS out..
I’m going to stop there and ask you what is your real issue with private schools? What are you scared of or what is holding you back from wanting to have the same “feel” …
What scares you about having your kids challenged for teams.. or pushed in their education? Or having yourself more involved? Do you not want to be on the PTA or have monthly parent teacher conferences?
Btw when I said that’s how it was when I went to school.. I graduated from HS about 10 years ago.. hope that gives u a different perspective from where this is coming from..
Jennifer Lenkiewicz
10:31 pm on Friday, August 12, 2011
Paul, I fear we are misunderstanding each other...I have nothing against competition and children being pushed. This was not the case with the private school route. Everyone was a winner...and the "superstar" ??(sarcasm in the quotes)...the kid was anything but...
I Love the idea of tryouts and yes, even the "sent packing" part...this is why I love the public schools sports program.
As far as being pushed in education--that is when my love affair began with the public schools in our town...it is the place where I finally saw my kids pushed, expected to do their best (by their teachers, not just mom and dad). Parent teacher conferences in the public school are.a.dream. Teachers are not afraid to tell you like it is instead of telling you what they think you want to hear. As far as the PTA goes...no, not really...not so much.
I didn't realize you were a youngster, Paul. I guess I'm just an out-of-touch old lady...I've had kids experience both venues...what the heck would I know...:) But, thanks for keeping me on my toes...I appreciate your comments.
barbara
5:35 pm on Tuesday, August 16, 2011
Look Jennifer, your decision is perfectly fine and I respect you for it. But I find it quite demeaning and disrespectful for you to use the term 'blue ribbon palace.' All schools in Orland Park could be termed 'blue ribbon palaces' just due to the economic advantages our community employs. The choice is individual; we do not need parents pontificating on how great the public is over the private.
Jennifer Lenkiewicz
6:58 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Barbara--the front of said school looks much like a castle...and there is a blue ribbon decal on the front door--nothing demeaning or disrespectful intended. It is what it is.
As far as what the masses do not "need"...you know the saying about a tree falling in a forest and nobody hearing it--did it actually fall? Same can be said about your logic...if we don't hear about the failures of a education program then the school must be simply awesome...right? I wish someone would have been around ten years ago to "pontificate" to me...sadly though, I probably would not have listened either...Not only did I have my ear plugs in, my blinders were on tightly back then as well. You live...you learn...I am merely stating my opinion that with the fine school district we have here in town, the private alternative, again in my opinion, is not necessary. And, in this economy--it is foolish. Quite simply the "publics" can do it better, and I have seen the results first hand.
I thank you for reading, voicing your opinion, and respecting my decision.
K.Berly
8:59 pm on Wednesday, August 17, 2011
Great blog, Jen! :)
Jennifer Lenkiewicz
7:04 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Thanks for reading...and a positive comment...:)
Frank
3:28 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
This was a terrific piece and quite accurate! However, St. Mike's doesn't have a monopoly on the issues you state. Many other southwest suburban catholic elementary schools, includng St. Al's in Palos Heights, has the same thing. Poor teachers, inadequate technology, small parent cliques that dominate every activity and coaching opportunity, excessive tuition costs, the list goes on. I speak from experience too....there is something to be said about separation of church and school!
Jennifer Lenkiewicz
7:15 pm on Saturday, August 20, 2011
Thanks for your insight, Frank. I agree with you regarding separation! Something can also be said about spending K-8th grade in the same building...I like the three grades and you move on rule at 135. Still the same families, but a fresh and different spin on things at the elementary, middle and jr. high levels.
P.S. St. Mike's isn't the only game in town...there is another school that serves Orland Catholics...I was a Wildcat...my children were not...:)
paul cervenka
9:44 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Great article. If it helps, your children in SD135 are in private schools. We see very little money from the state or federal. It's all us neighbor.
Jennifer Lenkiewicz
1:39 pm on Tuesday, August 23, 2011
Thanks Paul! We in Orland Park are blessed with a fantastic school district...I cannot say enough about the fantastic teachers, principals, and administrators I have had the pleasure of meeting over the last five years. Our kids are very fortunate these dedicated professionals have their best intrests at heart.
Thanks for reading and offering your opinion and especially for NOT telling me what to write about...or questioning my motive...sure I enrolled the younger kid at 135 five years ago, but every year I see how much my older one missed out on...hope I save one parent from making the same mistake I did.
Chrislaw
10:49 pm on Sunday, August 21, 2011
Why blog about this now? You moved on several years ago and are happy with your decision. I send my children to a local parochial school and I am happy with my decision. We are lucky to live in OP where we have good choices.
In my experience, parochial school parents are very much aware of the options at District 135. Please do not assume we are all wearing blinders. Perhaps we know the options and still choose to send our kids to private schools. Have you ever considered that?
I think you should reread your blog and consider a few things,...
1. Are you still harboring some "Catholic guilt" over switching schools? Your long diatribe suggests you are still justifying your decision.
2. You mentioned being very happy with your educational experience at St. Michael. Is it crazy to think someone else could have a similar experience?
3. How many people did you offend when you mentioned leaving a "quickly changing neighborhood". Are we to assume you meant less Catholic?
4. How many people were offended when you suggested their public education in OP was not quite up to snuff 30-40 years ago?
5. Please do not fall back on tired cliches about "who can afford tuition in this economy?" I can. Or the very tired complaint about OP traffic. Those cars carry consumers from surrounding areas who come to OP to shop and do business. Their tax dollars help pay for your school.
I appreciate you trying to enlighten your fellow Catholics but it is not necessary. I
Jennifer Lenkiewicz
1:33 pm on Tuesday, August 23, 2011
I am delighted you are happy with your decision...perhaps your kids are not attending the same place mine did. If I am assuming wrong -- they are on my daily prayer list...although, in my opinion, a daily prayer and a math tutor won't be able to help them come high school.
Hey~ thanks for reading and for offering your opinion on this "hot topic". It is much appreciated.
Laurie
9:24 pm on Monday, August 22, 2011
I highly doubt Jennifer is suffering from any "Catholic Guilt" over the decision to switch her children to the Orland 135 schools. My kids attended the "Blue Ribbon Palace" too and the only guilt I feel is due to the fact that I kept them there WAY too long! I thank God every day that I stopped drinking the kool-aid and went over to the "Dark Side".My kids are so much better off for it. How pathetic is it that my son says that he learns much more in his R.E. class at St. Francis than he ever did at the "palace"?
Jennifer hit the nail right on the head with this one!
Jennifer Lenkiewicz
1:42 pm on Tuesday, August 23, 2011
Thank you Laurie...:) Thanks for reading, commenting, and validating my opinion of the joint.
Rita
8:16 pm on Saturday, October 15, 2011
WOW!! I am a freshman at Sandburg High School, and I went to St. Mikes for 8 years. You have ALOT of flaws in your "blog". St. Mikes started Kindergarden in 2005, and you say your son who is a junior went there in 1999, not possible. You also said your eldest son had Spanish in grades K-8, but he didn't even go to St. MIkes in kindergarden because there wasn't one. St. Mikes started to teach Spanish to K-6 in 2009 so not possible. They only taught Spanish to 7th and 8th back then. I am at Sandburg, a public school, and I have to tell you that I Hate It. I cannot believe the lack of values and the disbelief of a God; it blows my mind. I miss the halls and classrooms where I always felt the presence of Jesus Christ. However, I have brought that with me to Sandburg, and it gets me through the day. I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to ruin St. MIke's reputation, which is impossible to do anyway. I am sorry you had such a bad experience, but I have to wonder what did YOU (not your son) bring to the table. YOU HAVE BEEN SERVED.
Rita
11:01 pm on Saturday, October 15, 2011
Parish school = St. Mikes
Rita
11:14 pm on Saturday, October 15, 2011
or are they talking about cjb?