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Fire District Postpones New Hires, Suspends Chief

Trustees new and old OK 30-day pay leave for chief and deputy chief without explanation.

Orland Fire Protection District trustees have suspended the hiring of 11 new firefighters for at least two weeks while they review the costs and potential savings associated with hiring any or all of them.

“This does not mean that the 11 firefighters will not be hired,” District Board President James Hickey said. “All it states is that we want further reports to determine what is the advantages and disadvantages of hiring four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 and 11 firemen.”

The process for hiring firefighters started before last week. Several of those men lined the back of the room and declined to speak about the meeting.

Trustee Martin McGill noted that some of them have already “resigned from their present positions” and reminded Hickey that he voted yes to hiring only a few weeks ago. Hickey said he doesn’t doubt the district needs firefighters to fill retirement vacancies.

“We are here for the taxpayers,” he said, “and we are here to make sure that their money is spent properly, and we need to have all of the information necessary to make a detailed decision.”

For “two years, maybe three years," McGill countered, "the chief has been asking to hire new individuals. Unless I’m half crazy I know that discussion has pursued…in an executive session that we had. The chief wanted 16 and we all agreed on hiring 11...”

Either way, a special meeting on the subject will be held on June 7 to give at least new trustees Blair Rhode and Christopher Evoy time to catch up.

The morning's , although the contention took on a more cordial tone.

“It’s a work in progress,” spokeswoman Rosemaria Genova said, speaking on Hickey’s behalf, after the meeting. “It’ll take a little time for the board to kind of get unified on some of the new changes. I think (you’ll) eventually see a little more cooperation…as the time progresses.”

Publicly, as he did last week, McGill complained of not possessing full knowledge of the issues or at least applications from the various services and people on the agenda. Hickey said McGill should have had most of it in his board packet.

Several issues were postponed until later, so that board members could discuss them behind closed doors and then come back out to vote.

The public comments were even less contentious. However, the morning manners did little to refrain audience members from murmuring amongst one another. “Let the lies begin,” one lieutenant muttered to neighbors as the board members were seated. Another woman likened the impending meeting to a “witch hunt.”

Sometimes in full agreement, sometimes without the approval of trustees McGill and Glenn Michalek, the board:

  • repealed policy that says battalion chiefs cannot serve on other districts
  • moved board meetings to the third and fourth Tuesdays of the month at 5 p.m.
  • appointed John Brudnak to fill open seat on board of commissioners next month
  • fired Bill Figel and his public relations company
  • hired Urban Strategies Group, led by Ray Hanania, on an interim basis to handle public information
  • suspended all non-essential expenditures until Rhode and Evoy can study the past and potential future purchases

Chief Bryant Krizik and Operations Deputy Chief Joe Madden have also been put on 30-day administrative leave with pay. Krizik deferred questions to Hickey and Hickey denied comment.

When asked whether the board’s disagreements had become a distraction, Krizik said he has run “the fire district without reduction in workload or anything, all the way up until this morning.”

Battalion Chief Ray Kay, who was made interim chief, said, “I think we have to make sure we maintain our service to the public, and I think anything more than that is really not within my scope. I have to keep things running and keep things going.”

Last week the board discussed firing Tom Dubelbeis and hiring former trustee Cindy Katsenes and former Chief Bob Buhs as consultants. The issue will be addressed at next month’s meeting.

The board was expected on Thursday to appoint Martin McGuire to fill an open fire commissioner’s seat, but trustee Christopher Evoy nominated Brudnak, a former village trustee candidate and Orland School District 135 Board of Education member, during the meeting's last minutes.

“McGuire is currently out of town,” Hickey said. “I still do like him for the position but some of the other board members voted differently for John Brudnak, so I’m in agreement with John Brudnak as well.”

Evoy, Rhode and Brudnak were all a part of the Fiscal Voices of Orland slate, which received support from Cook County Commissioner Liz Gorman. Within the last two months the party received campaign donations from Del Galdo Law Group (who was hired to represent the fire district last week) to the tune of $4,750 and from Alfred Ronan (who according to Rhode is an associate lobbyist of Cheryl Axley, who also was hired this week) for $3,700. Katsenes is registered with the state as the party’s treasurer.

Katsenes said she plans to review the district’s legal fees and past expenditures if hired as a consultant.

As a lobbyist for the district, Axley’s job will be to research federal and state grants and keep in touch with the Northern Illinois Alliance of Fire Protection Districts.

“We’re the largest...fire district in the state of Illinois,” Genova said. “And so it’s in our interest to bring in funds and ease the burden on taxpayers.”

“Go, get us money,” Orland Hills resident Gillian Mandekich said in reference to Axley. “If that’s what she’s doing, great. However, why did it have to come from the second largest contributor?”

Mandekich said her husband works for the fire district.

“I’m not against what the board is doing,” she said. “But why is it that the first two things (they) do are about patronage?”

Return to Orland Park Patch later for videos from the meeting.

Ray Hanania May 27, 2011 at 10:29 am
@Spike ... the most notable thing about you Spike is your anger and hatred -- reflecting a loss of power, I assume : ) ... but never mind. People who complain and call other people names really don't have much substance to them. The 9 am meeting time was set by the past board, your friends. The new board is moving to 5 pm. And I am proud to work for the Orland Fire Protection District and to help make it more accountable to the public. That's what the public wants, what you don't want but what the community is going to get.
Ray Hanania
Andrea Williams May 27, 2011 at 01:59 pm
@Spike "I am sure in the months ahead the decisions made by Hickey, Evoy, and Rhode, especially the one to use taxpayer dollars to employ you, will be scrutinized".......as will your friends on the OP Village Board. It will be an interesting 2 years leading up to the 2013 elections.
Spike May 27, 2011 at 05:29 pm
Rumor has it Andrea that "Dizzy Lizzy" had you and your husband bankroll most of her ticket's finances and your husband finished second...from last. Why didn't Steve get this appointment? What was Brudnak arrested for? Please, do tell
MS May 27, 2011 at 06:57 pm
Guys, I posted something longer then I deleted it because I don't want to just dump my anger on people here.
I just want to say: Respect the institutions you serve. Respect the public you serve. Respect our common values. Respect each other. It's not about who is right or wrong, it's about how to get things done together so we can live together.
Gerry G May 27, 2011 at 07:23 pm
Ray,
I respectfully disagree with your posts and your personnel agenda with this fire district. First you said you served in the U.S. Air Force, Thank you for doing that and protecting my family and our country. That said, if someone does not wish to leave there real name who cares, that is there right that you served to protect. Does this mean there view is meaningless and should be discarded or attacked? As a reporter don’t you hide your sources? Maybe it is someone that works for the fire district and they have a family to feed and bills to pay. Look how they removed personnel the very first meeting, the new trustees even admitted it may take a while learning this stuff, but they new enough to remove people? How can that be unless it was political? I think we all can agree that we want honest and open government and how it spends our money not there money. In the meeting they had, where was the honest and open with the contracts the trustees promised the taxpayers? The law firm hired gave money to both Liz Gorman and fiscal voices for Orland, no quad pro quo? You were defending John Fotopoulos who also gave to Gorman’s campaign.
Gerry May 27, 2011 at 07:29 pm
You blasted in your blog about the abuse of fire district vehicles well what about this. Chase Bank 13211 LaGrange Road, Orland Park, IL 60462
$500.00 Purpose: Car Payment Vehicle Used primarily for Beneficiary: Liz for the 17th governmental and political purposes 1/6/2011 $500.00 $500.00 Purpose: Car Payment - Vehicle used primarily Beneficiary: Liz for the 17th for governmental and political purposes 2/5/2011 $500.00 Purpose: Car Payment - Vehicle used primarily Beneficiary: Liz for the 17th for governmental and political purposes $500.00 Purpose: Car Payment Vehicle Used primarily for Beneficiary: Liz for the 17th governmental and political purposes $500.00 Purpose: Car Payment - Vehicle used primarily Beneficiary: Liz for the 17th for governmental and political purposes The cell phone use: AT&T Mobility P. O. Box 6428 Carol Stream, IL 60197 $253.78 Purpose: Cell phone Beneficiary: Liz for the 17th Now I used the above information directly from the State of Illinois and the required campaign funds documentation. It is also funny how Gorman’s Treasure for her campaign is Cynthia Nelson Katsenes, again no quad pro quo? The fire district needs the use of vehicles and cell phones for emergencies, really what is her emergency? I know you are going to say they are private donations, well come up with a better way to fund the fire district, they do not receive sales tax or 911 dollars.
Gerry May 27, 2011 at 07:30 pm
One last note you said the majority of voters elected these people that is a politician lie and proves you are going to say whatever the trustee’s tell you. The Orland Township has around 64,500 registered voters as of 2010, Rhode and Envoy to round the numbers received 3400, 3500 votes that is between 5 and 6 % of the voters. If this is the majority you are speaking about, than you have been drinking too much of the kool-aid.
Rhode was also a campaign contributor, now I am wondering since CNA Insurance has given multiple times in the same amount of $2,500.00, when is the fire district going to switch to them? Is this why Rhode attacked the insurance right away even though he knows nothing about the district finances? Sorry for the long post, but I could not hold it in any longer
Brehon May 27, 2011 at 07:31 pm
Spike you seem to have a lot questions for HICKEY, EVOY, RHODE AND GORMAN. Why don't you go to the next meeting and introduce yourself to them? Introduce yourself to Brudnak also he will like that.
The reason Brudnak got the appointment I bet, was he gave up a sure seat on the School Board were he did a Great job. There is know doubt that Evoy and Rhode will include Steve Williams in some way with the Fire Board. Then spike you can complain some more. Get use to it shorty they have 6 whole years.
Spike May 27, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Brudnak needs to explain his arrest...period
Andrea Williams May 28, 2011 at 12:44 am
All of the FVFO campaign contributions are available through the state board of elections so there is no need to rely on rumor....go check out the facts. "Most" means more than 50% so you will see (when you bother to go look at the facts), your "rumor" is not even close to the truth. Second, I don't know anything about the Brudnak arrest other than it was dropped/expunged which is good enough for me. Third, you will have to ask the OFPD board about any of their appointments.
Mike Carey May 28, 2011 at 12:46 am
HEY GERRY You said it; private campaign funds donated to her for political use. Her District is the largest of all 17 go on the County Web site. What she does is no different then alot of politicians and is legal.
When Fireman such as Randy Reeder a deputy takes a fire vehicle to his childrens sporting events thats stealing tax dollars. Please don't mix Apples and Oranges this fire district is a disgrace and a overhaul was long needed. This isnt about Gorman and McLaughlin and those who try to make it that are just frustrated wanna-be's.
Jack May 28, 2011 at 01:59 am
Well Gerry, I think you are a little off on the registered voters. I think you 64,500 is more like the number of residents. If there are that many voters I think the Democrats are digging up alot of people at Good Shepard! But then again who cares about accuracy!
Gerry May 28, 2011 at 04:17 am
Jack, How about you do some research before you make a statement. That is the problem with most of you posting. go to the cook county clerk website its there in print. I don't need to make B.S. up, but I do like to get the facts on issues before I open my mouth and how do they say put my foot in it. Its called research and it is really easy now with the internet.
Mike, again what emergency does Gorman need to respond too anywhere? Usually communities have rules that a department issued vehicle is used in the district and surrounding communities. As you pointed out he is one of the command staff of the fire district and if an emergency that requires more than what the shift chief can handle, they respond. Now what about when the shift chief is committed for an extended period of time the off duty chiefs will respond to any follow up calls. That is not stealing tax dollars pal, if you want to pay for multiple chiefs to be on duty than I am sure they would like that. It is a throw back to the volunteer days. Should they re-examine the vehicle use policy, yes, do I think that when a chief officer is on call they have a vehicle yes. you forget that these firefighters have families and they want to see there kids games. They miss a lot of birthday's and holidays etc. working when you are off. They have radios and when they think they are needed they can start to head back to the area. Gorman is getting a free vehicle, phone and now paying back people with jobs. That is a fact
Tom Dub's May 28, 2011 at 05:20 am
Gerry please tell me how can they respond to a emergencey with kids in the vehicle? Plain and simple Randy Reeder use of a fire vehicle to go watch his son's practice in Lockporte is stealing tax payers money.
Please quit using LIZ GORMAN as a example. She delivers a lot of important services to many different Townships. Wether or not she responds to emergency's is a mute point. The point is what are the CHIEFS doing?
paul cervenka May 28, 2011 at 12:46 pm
I'm no fan of Mr. Brudnak. Here's why. He put $50 million taxpayer dollars into the bank for the School district, after all the bills were paid. Money homeowners need. Then, raised our taxes, not a little, but the full amount allowed. I'm about taxpayers and their money. Not political social climbers.I don't give a hoot about the individual. Do it right, were good, do it wrong, I'm on it. We already have an ex-school district president on the village board and that's enough. Please. I want to see a published budget for the Fire district for the next 5 years. We need and have the right to know what were going to be on the hook for. Mr. Brudnak took care of the school district at our expense. Not to sure he has anything to offer the Fire district. In fact, I haven't seen him at a meeting yet so, go figure. If you want and a position at least make the meetings. There isn't a soul in this town that does not know my position on anything. Where was Mr. Brudnak one cold lonely November night? I stood alone for the taxpayers. And Rocked it. No, I broke it, wide open. For the taxpayers.
Steven Williams May 28, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Gerry,
CNA Insurance did not contribute to the FVFO campaign. I was a candidate for the village board on the FVFO slate and the contributions were from me personally. CNA Insurance is my employer and the Election Board requires you to identify your employer when you contribute to a campaign. Steve
Robert May 28, 2011 at 01:50 pm
LOL, don't patt yourself on the back too hard P.C., I say that those who want to pay for less fire protection should opt out develop their own volunteer fire dept. for their own houses. When they have a medical emergency, heart attack, stroke, accident, fire they can call on evoy and rhodes to leave their lucrative business and runn over and save your a--! LOL
Gerry May 28, 2011 at 06:57 pm
Well Gerry Gorman oh I mean Tom, have you ever dropped your kids off at practice and watched them. What is he going to do stop the practice or the game and grab his kid? Do you not think he knows the parents on the team at least some of them and they will take his kid home for him if he has to go? Where did I say he would respond with his kid. If he is using that vehicle he is capable of responding to a call in a timely manner. They do not go back to the fire station to get there gear they go to a scene if needed. You are making stuff up. The facts are he went to a sporting event that is child was participating in. Don't add to the story just the facts of the issue. Gerry don't lie it is you making up names, sad, real sad.
Steve, sorry on my response. but if your company suddenly gets the contract than I guess I was right, time will tell. You see how easy it is if you are wrong and you can say sorry. Ray, You say the board is for open government for the taxpayer? Well here is a question, how much is your contract for spokesperson to the district, and how much are they paying the lobbyist? What exactly are the lobbyist doing for the district just grants? If they free lance and say lobby against pensions or health care is this the honest and open government you claim they are doing?
Gerry May 28, 2011 at 07:09 pm
One other thing, are you saying the fire department personnel are not doing important things? Are you saying she is more important than a firefighter? Well how about a police officer or our military if you think she is more important than one than she must be on all three. Do you know how many times a firefighter interacts with the public a day? Do you know what they do for public safety and education? Has she ever held a crying parent while they ask to help there 4 year old child and you know they are deceased or do CPR on a child? How many people with diseases or blood does she come into contact with on a daily basis? Has she ever had to work in a mangled vehicle trying to start a IV with little light so save someone? So please explain to me all the important things she does? It seems all she wants and you Gerry want is higher office so the taxpayer can pay her salary and benefits. Since you can keep a job now you are going after taxpayer money. Well we are on it, what kind of pension and health care does she qualify for?
Robert May 29, 2011 at 02:02 am
Freedoms came with a price tag, many union workers lost their lives to obtain the labor rights we enjoy today and some us take for granted, in fact many of these workers that lost their lives were immigrants… A monument is erected in the city of Chicago in memory of them… http://www.weareoneillinois.org/
Firefighters, teachers, police, disability caregivers and other public employees are in danger of losing the pensions they have contributed to throughout their years of service. Instead of working toward real reform, Politicians are shifting the blame to the men and women that work to keep us safe, teach our children, and provide other essential services, instead of taking responsibility for their pork. Their goal is to anger and stir jealousy from private sector working citizen onto firemen/teacher & police etc.... Kevin McCarthy...Tinley Park...lawyer...FORMER teacher, voted yes to move bill sb 512 out of committee. Then KEVIN MCCARTHY voted for an obsene pay raise for himself. That, PIG, is the enemy, not our firmen/police/teachers etc. Citizen pay for and deserve excellence in our Firemen/Paramedics and they deserve safe numbers for our growing Orland Park community.
John Paul May 29, 2011 at 03:02 am
Nobody is going lose anything they've already been promised. The change that needs to come will involve new people coming onto public employee roles. As I said in my blog, politicians made ridiculous promises to the unions that are just not sustainable. The anger from the private sector reflects the fact that many of them have not seen a raise in a while; many had to take pay cuts just to stay employed, while their taxes go up to to pay for the public sector's guaranteed annual raises. The same feeling exists with the whole pension problem.
Robert May 29, 2011 at 12:47 pm
And just why is that the fault of a fire fighter? Simply put, it isn't the working mans fault. I voted Republican most of my adult life until I have seen the mess they are causing to the hard working class. What is happening in Wisc. it's evil and it pits brother against brother. If this is what Republican means I will not vote them in power. Kevin McCarthy (D-Orland Park) 37th District District Office 8951 W. 151st Street Orland Park, IL 60462 (708) 226-1999 (708) 226-9068 (fax), he is no different. Independent, even tea party may be better than these parties. REPUBLICAN AND LIZ GORMAN BACKED Evoy and Rhodes remind me of what the Republican Gov. is doing in Wisc.. They have no right to come into Orland Park and destroy my Fire Protection . What next?
Elected politicians are ignoring working families’ Number 1 priority—jobs and the economy—to deliver political payback to the CEOs and corporations that bankrolled them into office. And now we are seeing some of the "payback", Blagojevich style.
Gerry G May 29, 2011 at 05:58 pm
John Paul, It is not the promises that they made to people on there pensions that is unfulfillable. It was the politicians failed to put the money that was pulled from our taxes for pensions and put it there. Elected officials took this money and spent it on pork projects. They failed to pay there fair share and soon the costs were to much because of them. They than blame the worker and you and others got sucked into it. Look at social security as another example, when it was created it was not supposed to be used for anything but what it was for. Than there was so much money in it, elected officials changed that and took and took and now when some of us go to retire will not have it. These same elected officials also vote on there own raises and they don't pay into there own pensions but after only a couple of years get there full pay for life. They also voted for all of us with the new health care laws, but they are exempt. Honestly this is what is going to destroy our way of life, when the halves keep taking from the halve-not's until there is no more to take will we revolt. That is a fact on how to destroy our way of life. We need to either change laws that does not allow elected officials this kind of power or have them removed when they are self serving or perhaps just term limits for all elected.
One last thing, God bless the USA and our Military. Thank you for your service to us. They give us this right to disagree on issues. It also is what makes America Great.
Gerry G May 29, 2011 at 06:01 pm
The ex- gov took over 2 billion in one shoot from the teachers pension and elected officials keep doing this because to them this is money just sitting there and there job is to spend it. They choose this because they did not want to raise taxes and they are basically buying votes by spending money we did not have on there projects to get them re-elected.
Robert May 29, 2011 at 06:06 pm
I am speaking of Budnak not Maher. Defocusing from the subject doesn't answer the question. We expect full disclosure of crimes. What was Budnak arrested for? Child porn? assault?
Robert May 29, 2011 at 07:19 pm
In the meeting they had, where was the honest and open with the contracts the trustees promised the taxpayers? The law firm hired gave money to both Liz Gorman and fiscal voices for Orland.
This is very alarming.
Robert May 30, 2011 at 12:20 am
Evoy, Rhode and Brudnak were all a part of the Fiscal Voices of Orland slate, which received support from Cook County Commissioner Liz Gorman. Within the last two months the party received campaign donations from Del Galdo Law Group (who was hired to represent the fire district last week) to the tune of $4,750 and from Alfred Ronan (who according to Rhode is an associate lobbyist of Cheryl Axley, who also was hired this week) for $3,700. Katsenes is registered with the state as the party’s treasurer.
This is wrong and this is what I plan to tell others in my community. spread the word because only 6% of Orlands voters voted for Evoy and Rhodes. Sometimes in full agreement, sometimes without the approval of trustees McGill and Glenn Michalek, the board: repealed policy that says battalion chiefs cannot serve on other districts moved board meetings to the third and fourth Tuesdays of the month at 5 p.m. appointed John Brudnak to fill open seat on board of commissioners next month fired Bill Figel and his public relations company hired Urban Strategies Group, led by Ray Hanania, on an interim basis to handle public information suspended all non-essential expenditures until Rhode and Evoy can study the past and potential future purchases THESE ARE THE ASSAULTS MADE ON THE ORLAND PARK TAXPAYERS. PASS THE WORD
Sheila McFadden May 30, 2011 at 03:12 am
Thank you, Robert for pointing out all of this. I am very worried about all of the potential law suits that are going to come from what the new board members have done. These people have contracts and job offers. How can you just throw them out the window? What are these supposed penny pinchers going to do to our taxes when they have to settle all of the lawsuits that are going to come from their actions? I read that the new hires already quit their other jobs to come to Orland. How do you take away someone's job like that? These are people with families to feed and support and these three just come in and pull the rug out from under them? That's going to cost thousands for Orland taxpayers when these people sue the fire district. This is a disgrace.
paul cervenka May 30, 2011 at 10:20 pm
The 11 firefighters will cost 35 to 40 million lifetime. This was not mentioned in Kriziks presentation. Taxpayers have the right to know that, before they hire anyone. Can you imagine hiring to curb overtime? Name me one company that does this. Not in the unions where I worked. 50% or more of all grievences were for loss of overtime. The reason to hire is BOGUS. Typical Krizik. Spend the money then a year later raise taxes to cover your ass. We voted that corrupt business practice, out ! Homeowners have lost 25% of home value, and just had the largest tax increases and now what, more tax increases. No one is against hiring. We've done plenty of that! The issue is revenue to pay for them !!!!! Kryczk has failed miserably with this part of the business for years. First cut all waste. The most expensive fire district in the state. Not good enough? Costs more than all Village and township services together ! This thing is enormus. Not to mention that health and pension costs are increasing $750,000 a year. That's from their budget not mine. Spending must stop.
Robert, the fear thing won't fly. We had one station when I moved here 36 years ago. We were just fine till the Fire department became a Fire district. Did you ever consider being vocal before you were voted out ? Where were you when I asked these questions to your faces? The union backed you, what happened? Now you can't pay them back ! You were supposed to be our advocate and the union backed you!
Marc May 31, 2011 at 12:31 am
36 years ago the fire department covered about 15,000 residents in 1975 (took the population from the 1970 census which was 6,391 and the 1980 census which was 23,045 and divided them by 2 to get and approximate number). So if they covered the 15,000 residents with one station in 1975, and today they cover about 80,000 residents from Orland Park, Orland Hills and unincorporated Cook County, then it appears that their 6 staffed fire houses are right about the amount they should have. Also, your typical fire department estimates that they will run about 100 calls per every 1000 residents that they protect, so back in 1975 they probably ran about 1500 calls. According to their website, in 2010 they ran 8,036 calls, or about 100 calls for every 1000 residents they protect. So if in 1975 they ran 1500 calls with one firehouse they need the 6 firehouses they have in order to run the 8000 calls they run a year. So if you want to argue that one firehouse back in 1975 worked, it sure did, but when they are now running 5.3 times more calls then they did 36 years ago, they sure need the 6 firehouses they now have.

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